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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 11:55 am 
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Painting this morning. Out early to get the paint. Did the cutting in yesterday. Picked up the paper on the way back. Got a bit depressed on noticing the price of the petrol in the garage where I pick up the paper. Got even more depressed when I saw the front page of the paper.
A burglar has been released so he can look after his 5 kids. Something to do with Human Rights and being entitled to a family life. It appears that this rule also applies to lots of illegal immigrants who we cannot now send back home because they are entitled to a family life.
I know the judges have been put through the wringer lately of the privacy injunction farce, but really letting a bloke out so he can look after his family. Did he think about his family before he did the deed? Doubt it. His neighbours reckon he is a scrote anyway. What do his kids think of their Dad, the lovely man who keeps turning up with the latest telly or laptop or Iphone for which he has no receipt. Do they realise that shops ain't open that late. No that ain't right. The lazy s...e wouldn't work late would he. Probably waits for everybody to go to work and for the pensioners to go down the road to collect their pensions.
Now we have the party in charge who are supposed to be tough on crime, yes I know the LibDems are supposed to be in charge as well but that's a joke, so what are this so called tough party going to do. I have a faint suspicion it will be sod all.
Oh and to depress me even more the Somali immigrants are at it again. Yep another couple shot to death.
Talk about a second Mogadishu. What's the Minister of Justice got to say about this, if he's awake that is.
America got it wrong. They shouldn't have sent Obama it should have been Wyatt Earp or son of or even grandson of.


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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 1:46 pm 
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The trouble with your assessment, Crom, is that all of these daft decisions come on the back of the Human Rights Act introduced at the behest of EU, and which government was it that passed that into British law? Yes, it was Blair's government, a year after he came to power.


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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:12 pm 
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And your point?
I could care less who brought the Human rights thingy in. Letting people out of prison so they can look after their families is just plain stupid. You'll have the Minister of Justice letting rapists off half their sentences next.
By the way, I know you lot are not big into sport but I do hope you are watching the F1 practice/race from Monaco today/tomorrow. For one it would be nice if that burglar they let out went over there to ply his trade, take the kids with him of course. Rich pickings there, very rich pickings, very very rich pickings in fact it is obscene pickings. How come I have been told that money is in short supply. Take a look at the yachts folks on which they don't pay VAT and you really will understand why the poor get pissed off and go burgling . One of those yachts the one you have hired Hooky?


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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:26 pm 
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My point is that in your opener you appeared to be blaming the Tories.


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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 4:27 pm 
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No the point is that because I am a bit of a socialist you think I support Blair and Brown and their cronies. They are not socialists of any breed and no I blame the whole bloody lot. Tories, Whigs, Liberals, Lib Dems, Democratic Socialists, Labour, New Labour, Screaming Lord Sutch, BNP, Blackshirts but most of all the bloody rich. But most of all businessmen who think they are being wonderful to the working classes when in fact it is the working classes that makes their money.
But I digress. You and I both know that the Human Rights crap is being used by lawyers and their customers, the crooks, to make the ordinary law abiding citizens look a right fool. I have no doubt whatsoever that the HR's Act was not brought in for the purposes it is now being used for, but the politicians of all ilks are looking to the next election and want everybody's vote including the arseholes in prison. The ordinary person is so pissed off they refuse to vote and the inmates of the asylums and prisons see that they have the whip hand because they are the only ones who will gain by voting.
I suspect you are all a bit miffed cos you watched "All Watched Over by Machines with Loving Grace" haven't you, and find life not what you think it ought to be.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:07 am 
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What ARE you lot up to in the Mother Country?
Local report says that a 41-year-old drowned in a park lake a metre (3 ft 3ins) deep because the attending firemen weren't approved to enter beyond ankle depth.
That required the attendance of the chest-high troops to arrive.
By that time, Simon Burgess was dead. Huh? Whatever happened to "Damn the rules"?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:17 am 
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I thought the more interesting aspect to that story, GG, and the one not laboured in the press, was the woman who saw him when he was definitely still alive and was going to save him, but she had her child with her and thought he might be dangerous so she dialled 999 instead and then stood back to watch. My guess is that by the time the first troops arrived he was (face down) long dead since 2 or 3 minutes is a most unlikely response time.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:21 pm 
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I also cannot understand this, my first instinct would have been to get in there and at least try to do something to help, I doubt I would think too much about my own safety at that time, it would be an instinctive reaction, and I made a second career as a Health and Safety Officer.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:24 pm 
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It's got nowt to do with health and safety but all to do with what the lawyers have done to us. They have so much control now that we have a fear of sneezing.
If the emergency services had bravely gone and done what they were supposed to do and dragged the bloke out and in dragging him out scratched him and that scratch got infected and he caught some disease then he or his family or the friendly solicitor who must have itchy hands would have sued the arse of the fireman. If the woman who spotted him had gone in and in doing so left her child on the side in later life he would sue his mother via his solicitor who still has itchy hands, for neglect and abandonment. You think I am joking, I aint and unless we get to grips with the lawyers we will never get our lives back.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:37 pm 
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All that is probably true, Crom, but for most of us protecting ourselves from a possible lawsuit (or sacking) is not allowed to take precedence over our humanity. If I encountered a lost child I would give assistance and to hell with the consequences. Same with a drowning man, you allow yourself about a nano-second to consider the personal consequences and then wade in, thus not abandoning the human race.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:39 pm 
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No it isn't true. Lawyers simply interpret the law. They will of course exploit it in any way they can to get an advantage for their client, but the fault lies with the numpties that pass these ridiculous laws.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:35 pm 
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Hook Dangler wrote:
No it isn't true. Lawyers simply interpret the law. They will of course exploit it in any way they can to get an advantage for their client, but the fault lies with the numpties that pass these ridiculous laws.


That is where we differ. They do not do it for their "client" Hooky, they do it for themselves, and the numpties that pass the laws take advice from the same people that will take advantage of the same ridiculous laws that they invent. Talk about letting the fox into the hen house.
Lawyers are the inmates and the guards, the judges and the juries, the lawyers and the lawmakers but most of all the people that make all the money. They love it and make a mockery of law and order and natural justice.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:06 pm 
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A large number of politicians are lawyers by training, for example Tony Blair. The real problem is poor drafting of laws by civil servants; they try to cover all the options but usually end up leaving unforseen loopholes which lawyers will, of course, exploit - it's what they are paid to do.

Income tax law could be simplified by having a single rate and a law that said, 'you must pay xxpence in pound tax on everything over £x,000-00 you earn, no exceptions', end of story, no loopholes, no need for accountants to work out your tax return, no need for thousands of civil servants to check each and every tax return, and they would probably collect a lot more income tax!

Similar solutions could be applied to other forms of tax without much trouble.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:35 pm 
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Faced with an emergency, I hope I would react instinctively - because, if I stopped to think, I would probably walk on by. It's too easy for things to go wrong. Crom is right to the extent that any misfortune suffered these days is regarded as a cash-generating opportunity - consider the whiplash scandal. Professional life-savers deserve some legal protection, but their bosses are looking to the balance-sheet.

Have you noticed that the most frequent advert to come up on YouTube at present reads: "Had an ACCIDENT not your FAULT? Claim your RIGHTS! Ring xxx xxx xxx!" It's sickening, but can't be stopped because some cases will be genuine. Quelle époque!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:26 am 
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Hook Dangler wrote:
No, it isn't true. Lawyers simply interpret the law.

Wrong: judges only interpret and apply the law.
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They will of course exploit it in any way they can to get an advantage for their client.....

Or, more likely, advantage for their fee.

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