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 Post subject: Philosophical Quotes
PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:30 pm 
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There are some great witticisms in this lot. Many you will have heard, many are a bit trite, but there are one or two nuggets.

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 Post subject: Re: Philosophical Quotes
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:53 am 
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Not just witticisms, I hope, Hooky, but good reason to stop and think for a wee moment. Thank you.

I collected a couple for CC to chew on:

Reason and faith are both banks of the same river.
Men are probably nearer the central truth in their superstitions than in their science.


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 Post subject: Re: Philosophical Quotes
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:06 am 
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Yes, Senex, I noted those two particularly.

Reason and faith are both banks of the same river.

Opposite banks that can never meet.

Men are probably nearer the central truth in their superstitions than in their science.

Absolute balderdash and proof that just because some famous person said it doesn't make it true.

My favourite nonsense quote is the famous one attributed to G.K.Chesterton:
"When a man stops believing in God, he doesn't believe in nothing; he believes anything."
About as wide of the truth as you could get.


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 Post subject: Re: Philosophical Quotes
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:28 am 
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Cumberland Cockney wrote:
Yes, Senex, I noted those two particularly.

Reason and faith are both banks of the same river.

Opposite banks that can never meet.


Ah but they do meet CC. At the source.


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 Post subject: Re: Philosophical Quotes
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:52 am 
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Hook Dangler wrote:
....they do meet CC. At the source.

I wish I'd thought of that. Nice one, Hooky.
Know the source, know life.

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 Post subject: Re: Philosophical Quotes
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:57 am 
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Hook Dangler wrote:
Ah but they do meet CC. At the source.

And then diverge for ever more, as history shows.

But actually, I think I have to dispute that, Hooky. If the banks met at the source no river could emerge, but I'm not sure what that adds to the metaphor. Perhaps that the river of life emerged from the primordial slime which, according to many of the faith, didn't happen, thus giving the victory to reason since the river does exist. Discuss!


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 Post subject: Re: Philosophical Quotes
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:17 pm 
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Cumberland Cockney wrote:
Hook Dangler wrote:
Ah but they do meet CC. At the source.

And then diverge for ever more, as history shows.

But actually, I think I have to dispute that, Hooky. If the banks met at the source no river could emerge, but I'm not sure what that adds to the metaphor. Perhaps that the river of life emerged from the primordial slime which, according to many of the faith, didn't happen, thus giving the victory to reason since the river does exist. Discuss!

Surely the point of the metaphor is that both banks are essential if the river is to make its intended progress.


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 Post subject: Re: Philosophical Quotes
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:39 pm 
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Not bad, Senex, but given the vast number of different faiths on your side and the gaps between them, the flooding must be awful. Still, it's nice an dry over here so just say the word and I'll paddle across to get you.


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 Post subject: Re: Philosophical Quotes
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Having spent a lot of time on the fells, moors, and mountains of England and Wales, I can say that most of the sources that I have seen are simply muddy puddles or fairly large boggy patches; the fact that some of these these become vast rivers and others sparkling brooks or streams must have some philosophical meaning but I can't quite identify it at the moment!


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:13 pm 
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How can they diverge when they enter the sea CC? They might struggle for a while but will eventually join.


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 Post subject: Re: Philosophical Quotes
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:14 pm 
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Cumberland Cockney wrote:
Not bad, Senex, but given the vast number of different faiths on your side and the gaps between them, the flooding must be awful. Still, it's nice an dry over here so just say the word and I'll paddle across to get you.

Oh CC, I fear another misinterpretation on your part. I am not on one side, and have no need of rescue. I am the river.


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Cumberland Cockney wrote:
But actually, I think I have to dispute that, Hooky. If the banks met at the source no river could emerge, but I'm not sure what that adds to the metaphor. Perhaps that the river of life emerged from the primordial slime which, according to many of the faith, didn't happen, thus giving the victory to reason since the river does exist. Discuss!


Bit desperate that CC. What of course I meant was that the two banks met before the source. A spring rises and before it the riverbanks are one.

Science is now spending our billions on the Hadron Whossname to look back and try to explain what most religions have been explaining for two thousand years. Now I'm not taking sides but the ball is definitely in science's court.


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 Post subject: Re: Philosophical Quotes
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Senex Iracundus wrote:
I am not on one side, and have no need of rescue. I am the river.


A grandiose and inspiring statement Senex. If true may I be a disciple.

To paraphrase Life of Brian.

He's not the river, he's just a naughty boy.


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 Post subject: Re: Philosophical Quotes
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Senex Iracundus wrote:
Oh CC, I fear another misinterpretation on your part. I am not on one side, and have no need of rescue. I am the river.

Sorry, Senex, I was being deliberately obtuse.

Perhaps we can all agree that the river goes round many a bend and steadily downhill all the way, a metaphor perhaps for this thread.


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Cumberland Cockney wrote:
....the river goes around many a bend and steadily downhill all the way, a metaphor perhaps for this thread.


Hence the term, "Go with the flow".
It's so easy to conform with the tide of humanity.
It taks a special moral strength to resist the flow, speak out against degradation and then strive to make it against the current.

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